Friday, November 13, 2015

Lit 12 - Fishbowl - Nov. 13


[square brackets indicate my additional comments]

NARROW YOUR THEIS

*you may bring in secondary quotes - but make sure you credit them

-quote sheet allowed and encouraged

-don't bring notes into essay

 

Societal Values/Structure

 

-Mr. Collins - satirical - pple fawn over upper class Lady Catherine- loves being at the top of it - Mr. C. - feeds into that

 - "the death of your daughter would be better"

  • "she likes to have the distinction of rank preserved"

  • Idea that lower class people should be ruled by upper class

  • Bridge between Bennets' and Darcy's class
  • Is happy that Darcy even looks his way

 

Jane - has class, upper middle class - ideal - pretty, pure, demure, feminine

  • Won't talk back - smart, but not smart enough to outsmart a man

  • Submissive

 

Darcy - strong views

-people tolerate him because of his status

-expectations on him as well - but class system doesn't determine character

-breaks up Bingley and Jane - ironic/hypocritical when he decides he loves Lizzy - character growth

 

Mrs. Bennet- her need to get her daughters married shows the values of society

  • Chapter one "the business of her life was to get her daughters married"

  • Immediately drops her notions about Darcy when she finds out Lizzy is marrying him

  • [could follow how the town views Darcy throughout the novel]

 

Lady Catherine- allows herself to judge and rule others - near the end - her speech to Lizzy- "your name will never be mentioned by any of us"  (338)

  • Feel like they should have the best in society (rest of society supports that)
  • Daughter will probably never get married because she is sickly

 

Wickham  - he'll never marry (268) a woman without wealth (Mrs. Gardiner says this)

  • Affection for Lydia = not equal to Lydia's affection to him

  • Needed to marry well to raise his status

  • Stops talking to Lizzy as soon as Miss King's inheritance came in
  • Need to step up in society and marry as high as he can

 

Charlotte - marrying Collins shows us how little power women have

-but she protects herself from becoming a spinster

-makes the best of it

 

Lydia - "ah, Jane, I take your place now"(301) - marriage is important

 

Lizzy - doomed if Lydia didn't get married

-does she really stand against her society

-how much does she conform?  [talks back to Lady Catherine]

-conforms when embarrassed of her family

-being civil

-polite - acts classy

-[doesn't want to be "born into" a class]

-cares more for her sister than rules - walks to the Bingleys' in the rain

 

"where does discretion end and avarice begin?" (148?)

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" (1)

 

 

  • Upper class is dependent on lower classes' support [reminds us of how our society's politics work - everyone in our society buys into the idea that everyone can get rich, so our politics supports that view a lot of the time]

*[fantasy element - in real life Lizzy would marry Collins or not marry at all]

-money = power - true today and then

  • One percent - we don't know what the servants feel
  • Class system rigid
  • High class does not equal classy behaviour ["this must be your mother" - not classy]
  • Character growth
  • Wealth - is money all you need?
  • Money versus happiness
  • Family's reputation ["all your daughters out at once?" - Lady Catherine]
  • Marriage = good subtopic - why people get married - in the movie - to procreate and avoid sin
  • Marry within class - Lizzy marrying too far out of her class is a scandal
  • Jane marrying Bingley not as big of a deal [except the Bingley sisters weren't completely excited]
  • Love can overcome the societal structure [Austen's fantasy]
  • Lack of marriage = family weakness

 

Gender Roles

 

  • Overall - expectations - strict - realms - scandal

  • Societal structure supersedes gender roles (eg. Lady Catherine rules all in the novel)
  • Complex betrothal process - woman and man had to have permission (and encouragement) from family
  • Women and men couldn't be alone in a room together
  • Why are gender roles less specified now?
  • Women are largely not seen as commodities in our society

 

  • Men - being a gentlemen - chivalrous - objectified because of money and status [different today?]
  • Inheritance laws favoured men - in charge of finances - "manly"
  • Not judged for sexual impropriety

 

Women - entertaining guests

-virginity utmost important

  • Miss Bingley, Darcy etc "accomplished woman" - Lizzy thinks she doesn't know any accomplished women - challenging society's standards

  • "a woman must have a thorough knowledge….tone of voice, dress… extensive reading"(37)

  • Appearance is important

  • Expectations are superfluous - drawing, painting, languages - but not politics!

  • Get married, have sons - two main functions of a woman

 

 

 

Lady Catherine - (158) "I see no reason why entailment…" - [great quote!] - she, in fact, might be a little bit of a feminist regarding herself

-Mr. Collins and Lady C's roles are switched

-who will connect themselves with such a family

"all five out at once" (160) - society is rigid in expectations

 

Lizzy - defies her gender roles somewhat -

-she understands why Wickham has to go for Miss King

-understood in society what a man's role

-rebellious, free thinking

-devastated by Lydia's behaviour (reflects on her)

-independent thinker

 

Mary - [will she get married]

 

Lydia - doesn't follow the social rules [modern?]

 

Jane

 

Kitty - goes along with who she's with

 

Mr. Collins - "the death of your daughter would have been a blessing" - women must be virginal - reputation must remain untarnished [different now?]

 

Wickham - not too harshly judged for all of his [rapey] actions -

 

Mrs. Bennet - sole purpose is to marry off her children [she succeeds!]

-better parent than Mr. Bennet?  -she carries her role better

-does her job as a mother

-does hover a bit

 

Mr. Bennet - does he succeed as a father?

-too distant

-doesn't fulfill his role as a parent (Lydia! - Lizzy tries to keep her from going to Brighton)

-no sons = he has a less active role

-lost his role somewhat

-favours Lizzy - she's the one who betters the family [interesting!]

-relationship may inspire Lizzy to be a free-thinking

 

Charlotte - past expiration date - 27 - very willing to marry Collins - has to take what comes to her

-shows the truth about the society

-shows the rule of "woman as commodity"

 

Seven Deadly Sins

 

Pride - Lizzy and Darcy

  • Pride influences prejudice
  • Miss Caroline
  • Acceptable
  • Mrs. Bennet's pride is looked down upon (when mentions how the country is better than the city)
  • Town encourages pride

 

Envy - Miss Caroline - most of her comments directed at Lizzy - so jealous

 

Lust - Miss Caroline, Lydia, Mr & Mrs Bennet married over lust [Lydia is repeating the cycle]

-encouraged by marriage being so important and love being less important

 

Greed - Wickham

-to some extent is encouraged

 

Sloth - Wickham, Mr. Hurst, [to some extent Mr. Bennet]

 

Wrath - Wickham taking Georgiana away to get at Darcy, Lady Catherine

 

Gluttony - [Mr. Hurst]

 

Mrs. Bennet - seems horrible, but most of her actions are justified

-ignores the rules once Lydia is married

-greedy

-completely over her prejudice when Lizzy marries Darcy - greed

 

Lydia - ignorance and social faux pas - could be because of her father and mother's marriage - their marriage doesn't show love by the time she's born

 

Lizzy - P. 198 - realizes her pride

 

Darcy- also realizes his pride "please a woman worthy of being pleased"

 

Mr. Bennet - failed to provide an heir, didn't look after his daughters = ashamed

-congratulates Jane

-favours Lizzy

-ignores Mary (closes the piano)

-has some awareness at the end

-tells Lizzy that she doesn't have to marry someone she doesn't love

-realizes he married for lust (doesn't want Lizzy to make the same mistakes)

-"I'll get over it soon enough"

 

Lady Catherine - pride, wrath (think about when she talks to Lizzy near the end) [important to note that Lady Catherine doesn't want Lizzy to leave when visiting Rosings, but then when Lizzy wants to marry her nephew - she's disdainful]

 

Jane - easily persuaded, but no real sin

 

Bingley - along with Jane - seems without sin

 

-social structure encourages some of these sins: pride, greed, envy

-"where there is superiority of the mind.. Pride" (47)

  • Do these characters realize their sins

  • Darcy and Lizzy learn from each other - less prejudiced and less proud by the end
  • [Mr. Bennet realizes that he's been ineffectual "allow me to feel bad, it will pass"]
  • Which parent influenced his/her children more?
  • [character growth - dynamic - do any of these characters get over their sins?]

  • Prejudice seems to stem from all of these sins

  • When pride is injured - prejudice sets in ["the whole town decided they hated Darcy"

  • [relate the sin to what it shows about human nature]
  • Marriage and lust - must marry - but love doesn't matter as much
  • Societal roles, gender roles, deadly sins - related
  • Mary = obtuse - no real sin

 

 

 

 

 

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